Post by Calliara Mahariel on Jan 1, 2015 18:32:07 GMT -6
I started it days ago, and I'm increasingly pissed with it. The controls are stupid (laptop), it lags a lot, the characters are fugly, and then... the choices
I just had the part where I have to choose to side with templars or mages. For what I've seen so far in the game, the mages are twats, which is sad because I chose them in both previous games, but I just want to punch Fione, all I see is mages running amok and slaughtering everything that moves (red templars too, lol). I have sided with templars and I've been pleased to see that the soldiers and lower ranks were horrified and sided with me right away to defeat the demon (even managed to keep Barris alive).
So, who did you side with? why? why are the rebel mages in this game so... gosh, I can't even imagine why would I want to save them. Sad.
Post by Swift_Assassin on Jan 1, 2015 21:33:51 GMT -6
If you have a controller you can use, try that. Unfortunately the keyboard and mouse controls are a hobbled mess, one that I believe Bioware plans to fix...whenever they can find the time to, I guess. Only problem with using a controller is the lack of a quick save, since only the screenshot button works, I believe.
The choices get tougher later on. Some become almost painful depending on your world state. I usually go with the mages, even if Fiona is a colossal fuck-up with her choices. Some of them are worth saving. In fact, the ones not worth saving are the ones you keep slaughtering in the Hinterlands until you destroy their stronghold. Unfortunately, I can't think of many Templars in the past game worth siding with who live through the whole thing.
Plus I personally like the mission to ally the mages. It seems to add a good amount of foreshadowing to future events in game. I don't know if the Templar mission has the same foreshadowing, but I plan on giving it a try eventually.
Unfortunately, I play on a console, so I'm not sure about the keyboard commands, but I know Lithawen has told me that's she has practically reassigned every key in the game to make it playable. That sounds pretty cruddy to me. On the console, they're pretty standard, fortunately.
Yeah, people's faces can be weird in the game. Some people are gorgeous, and then some people look like actual potatoes. I like the reimagined Ferelden fashions in the game, because the clothes any Noble wore in Origins were so very, very terrible, but a lot of the NPCs still look so stiff and awkward. All around though, I'm just happy that I love the game enough to not really mind.
I actually sided with the mages. But I've always sided with Mages in DA games. I just hate the Templars soooo freakin' much >H< If you eventually side with the mages (POTENTIAL SPOILERS) I guess you learn that their recent unlikable viciousness is the fault of the evil Magister leading them.
Fiona I actually pretty much like. She seems reasonable and level headed. Not to mention, her being (SPOILER), or seeming to be Alistair's mother made me like her a lot more, too. She recognizes that even if it wasn't a unanimous decision to rebel, the people who just wanted their freedom shouldn't be tied to the people too weak or afraid to not seek it. I guess a problem I have with the mage rebellion narrative in this game is that speaking to Vivienne makes it sound like mages were actually well treated, and even allowed to leave the Circles, therefore pegging the rebellion as childish and useless, when the Circles that we have actually seen in the games are hellholes. The mages of Kirkwall, for example, I could see fighting so savagely for their freedom, because they were treated like beasts by the Templars for so long.
I haven't had a playthrough side with the Templars yet, but I'm planning it for my next one. It will just be hard not having Dorian sooner >H<
Post by Calliara Mahariel on Jan 2, 2015 9:10:22 GMT -6
That's exactly my point, in the previous games I sided with the mages, always, and kinda despised the Templars for being twats and racist and fascist and so no (with exceptions of course, Greagoir wasn't so bad, nor Emeric or other templars in DA2). Also, I take that Vivienne is speaking about her own experience and the Montsimmard Circle sounds as kinda permissive where others we know were worse (Kirkwall being the worst in my opinion, and Ferelden one was kinda meh until Uldred's party).
I've always thought mages needed and deserved more freedom and to be treated like normal people, but I also thought that they should be somewhat watched... maybe something in the middle ground was what Justinia V was trying to accomplish, and I know pleasing both sides would be a hard job but come on... I haven't seen anything in Inquisition so far that makes me go 'omg gotta save mages cause they're so awesome'. What I see is that they've become terrorists, they've thrown out the Guerrin family from Redcliffe (seriously? aren't there abandoned fortresses or anyhing like that that you have to go to an inhabited place to squat? a place that belongs to the family that raised the King?). There are 'free' mages that left the Circles and joined the Inquisition (lots of mage robes in Haven and Skyhold), so why the terrorism against the peasants? I'd understand they attacked the Chantry and the templars, but common folk? That says they don't want to be free or equals, that says they want to be in charge, Tevinter style, evil Magister or not.
Siding with the Templars (SPOILERS HERE) you learn the low rank soldiers and officers are all arguing their superiors orders and are not okay with being there and not out, protecting people. Actually, Barris says his duty should be protecting mages and not otherwise. And after you join with them, the side quests you get from them are all about rescuing mages, protecting mages, taking mages to safety, and so on.
It makes me kinda sad because I always sided with mages and I always was a supporter of mage freedom (until fucking Anders fucked verything).
Also, about the controller, I have controllers for the Playstation, but I have a laptop so I don't have to play on a console, so nope. I hate console controllers. I'm clumsy.
As Swift says the choices do get tougher later on but they are still pretty good. I normally side with the mages as well but my first full run through I sided with the templars and that went just fine. The mages and templars are both being arses out in the Hinterlands and both are being plied into fighting by the Tevinter asses and the bands of "bandits" causing further trouble. The templars were even killing people on slight suspicion that the people were helping a mage. So for me, I guess that hearing from both sides being major screwballs in the Hinterlands that they are both close to the same; however, when you choose which side to finally go with I'm sure that both have really good attitudes with lower ranked people acting out towards the asses using them. I know it happens with the templars and am sure that it happens with the mages too, even though I haven't gotten there quite yet.
It seems kind of like at school when one kid turns to the other kids and tells one side that the other side is saying bad things about them then do the same with the others. A couple of times of this, or even just one, the kids are at each others' throats. That seems to be how the Tevinters and "bandits" are doing with the templars and mages. Then they leave notes all over saying how no one understands them and want them dead which helps get them riled up. Basically, the morons forget to think for themselves. Also, once you get rid of the main hideout for the templars and mages then the fighting just stops which to me says that someone was in control of their actions otherwise there would still be small groups all over continuing to kill others.
Amazingly, Anders didn't fuck anything up for me. In fact I almost sided with him because I saw how the chantry was treating the mages and wanted that lady dead anyway. It's just that killing everyone was not the way to do it. Lots of innocents were lost in that. Plus, I see Justice being the main reason for what he did. Justice had been pushing a lot of buttons for years so I wasn't surprised that something was lost in Anders' brain to do that. It was surprising at what he did though.
I have to admit that I got fed up with one game and deleted all but the one I completed and have started over. It was a stupid thing to do and I don't remember what got under my skin. Maybe just frustration (real life deal) but I did do a lot of running around in the Hinterlands.
Oh, remember with the fights to pick everything up between bouts in the big missions like when you go to see the templars or mages through the war room. You won't get a chance once you have later after all the problem in that section is wrapped up.
Ok I'm rambling but hopefully I said some things which are understandable and reasonable
I can totally confirm - when you side with the mages, you learn that pretty much all of them are NOT okay with what's happening. They expected rebellion and freedom and, without giving much away, they didn't sign on for what ended up actually happening. The game makes it fairly clear early on that the mages and Templars in the Hinterlands are all extremists, not respected or supported by the actual Mage rebels and Templar rebels. Most mages and Templars look down on the rebels in the Hinterlands as mad animals who are just hurting people, and doing nothing to support their actual respective causes.
Vivienne is an interesting note - I actually question a lot of the decisions for why the writers put her in the game. As one of your companions, she's one of the only personal, friendly voices the Inquisitor has on the way that Circles are run . . . and yet, she's had a COMPLETELY irregular Circle experience. She would have you think that most mages who complain about Circles are exaggerating, that they get many more freedoms than most let on, and yet, that's not at ALL the experience that we've seen through the Warden or Hawke's eyes. I understand that her experience has been more free (largely in part because she fought very hard to make it that way), but it's hard to respect her as the only voice about remaking the Circle when she's saying "oh yeah, we should definitely remake the Circles they're fine."
[Generally, my own opinions on circles are that they are awful. Pretty cut and dry there. Mages shouldn't be locked up and guarded every moment of their lives, separated from their families and loved ones, discouraged from ever having loving relationships, swords hanging over their neck for every misstep. It's kind of like the magic/sword analogy. Should someone who's an accomplished swordsmaster get locked up? Or worse, someone with a sword with no idea how to use it? If they do something bad or evil, they should get arrested or contained, but otherwise, why bother them? Seems the same for mages. Free to do what they will, and arrest or contain them if they do something evil. And for the mages who aren't comfortable in the real world, keep Circles but make them more like colleges or universities — places with rules, to learn and live at for as long as they like if they so choose. Maybe magical education would be compulsory, to make sure that the mages in the world aren't accidentally blowing things up left and right, but other than that, why keep them in a cage their whole lives?]
As for Anders, well, I think we all know my opinions there [/laughs and cries]. I'm pretty much 100% behind him. Elthina was repeatedly begged to do something to stop Meredith and Orsino, and she refused, saying it wasn't her place. She completely misread the situation, and hundreds of people suffered for it. Meredith running around unchecked allowed dozens or hundreds of mages to suffer every kind of abuse at the hands of perhaps the worst Circle in Thedas. When you're suffering that much and no one is listening or doing anything, then I think something drastic has to be done. Blowing up hundreds of people? Maybe not a good idea. But I agree that something had to happen. How is it any different from the Warden slaughtering an entire innocent Dalish clan just to gain the support of some werewolves in Origins, for example? ANYWAY it's definitely a topic that I LOVE to explore, and I'm going to have a LOT of fun playing Anders, especially since so many people here have different opinions on how right or wrong he was!
OH YEAH and also, as to the ugliness of some characters I knoooooow - and the worst part is is that it's not consistent! SO many characters are drop dead GORGEOUS
Some look great
and then something WEIRD happens when they do a face and end up looking like crap
and then there are literal potato people
One very SPECIFIC case for me is the Iron Bull. His cut scene and head shots all look good, but then his "regular" appearance is just kind of . . . bizarre. I can only describe it as his head being much too small for his body
And I GET that it's probably to make him look proportionally larger (any artist will tell you that a smaller head / larger body ratio will make something look bigger), but he's not ACTUALLY proportionally larger than most characters (or not that much larger, at least). It was ESPECIALLY noticeable when I was playing a lady qunari. I was as tall as him (humans elves and dwarves will be shorter than him, obviously), but my head was . . . I dunno, "normal" sized, while he had this really small head. So I looked bigger than everyone around me WITH a normal sized head, but the Iron Bull just looks kinda' deformed with his teeny tiny head.
Compare him to the Arishok, who manages to look huge without that strangely tiny head
Post by Calliara Mahariel on Jan 2, 2015 14:27:26 GMT -6
I hate having to play with Low quality. Scout Harding doesn't have freckles in my game. I lost the scars in character creation too -sigh-
Also, you THINK Sera is great? Seriously? Must be my game then, because she looks fugly in mine. Omg and do I hate her too. I am a strange person. I haven't kicked her from Haven for I don't know why yet.
OMG the Arishok, how sexy he was. I wonder why they came up with a cool design for Qunari and then threw it away in Inquisition. At least they got rid of the weird elf nose thing.
I have a VERY strange relationship with Sera. As far as her appearance goes, I do think she's cute, in a realistic, non-idealized kind of way. Which I think is super important for video games to start getting into! She's just a cute, tiny girl - not a super model. She makes some ugly faces, like real people do, doesn't really care how she looks, all that stuff. It's kind of refreshing in a way. I have seen some people post PC low-quality screen shots of her that are TRULY awful, so I wonder if it's just the PS4 making things look pretty good in general.
Her virulent elf-hatred is SO annoying. I actually pretty much find her super annoying in general, really. After two and a half playthroughs, I still haven't found much to love about her (barring a few moments here or there that don't really last too long), which is strange since I usually love Bioware companions to death and back. And THIS towards the girl that I'd originally intended to romance before I actually got the game (wow I sure threw THAT one out the window)! But I have found that, after some of her personal events later in the game, that I do like her as kind of an annoying little sister. I guess that's just the way it'll stay.
Post by Swift_Assassin on Jan 2, 2015 18:46:40 GMT -6
As for people's appearances...it's realistic. Some people are going to be look great, others not so much. You can make your character look like a model...or make them look like Sandal...or Nigel Thornberry. It's much better than the many shades of ugly that base-game Oblivion had. And unfortunately for you, Calliara, the low quality really lives up to that name. You're pretty much playing the game with graphics designed for PS3 and 360, probably with shiny hair and no extra details.
To be fair to Sera, she didn't grow up in an environment that was pro elf. She's elven in body only, with none of the history or culture to tie her to the rest of the elves. It still pisses me off, but every weird elf girl can't be Merrill.
Not to mention so much of her life has been made difficult because she's an elf, despite her having no personal connection to "elfishness" at all. It's like she's being punished for something she doesn't even recognize about herself. I guess not all oppressed elves are going to react to their oppression with a hearty "yeah, well, elves are better than you!" kind of attitude - sometimes you come to hate and resent what you are for making life difficult for you.
It IS super frustrating playing as a Dalish elf and having her constantly put down "your people" and who you are, but it's kind of like coming from a wealthy family and trying to tell a poor person that they should be more proud of what they are - Sera's gonna react to it badly either way. (It certainly makes it interesting how the only elf option you can play as is a Dalish - just think how the dynamic between you and Sera would have been if you were a City elf!)
Post by Swift_Assassin on Jan 2, 2015 20:19:59 GMT -6
Well, maybe they figured that they'd lose a lot of potential conversation topics as a City Elf that they didn't add that background. Perhaps they added the Qunari to make up for not having the City Elf and Dwarf commoner Backgrounds. Mage Trevelyans fill the roles of Human Noble and Circle Mage origins, while the Dwarf is essential Dwarf Noble background mixed with Dwarf Commoner due to being Casteless. It would be nice to have the City Elf origin return, and maybe they can implement the Human Commoner origin they scrapped from Origins.